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		<title>By: quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truefan1947- ain&#039;t that the truth.

By the way, I just got the memo that we need to call it Medicare for All.  It&#039;s a good idea.  The level of delusion in the US of A has reached psychotic proportions, and it&#039;s important not to trigger hallucinations.  People know how Medicare works, and it&#039;s not too scary.  You go to the doctor.  Your bills get paid.  

And the thing that is so absolutely screamingly ga-ga to me is that we could provide health CARE (not just insurance) to EVERYONE at HALF the cost.  I&#039;m not surprised the insurance industry is going bonkers about that, since the savings come out of their hide, but what is up with the loonies shrieking for a bad deal?  o_O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truefan1947- ain&#8217;t that the truth.</p>
<p>By the way, I just got the memo that we need to call it Medicare for All.  It&#8217;s a good idea.  The level of delusion in the US of A has reached psychotic proportions, and it&#8217;s important not to trigger hallucinations.  People know how Medicare works, and it&#8217;s not too scary.  You go to the doctor.  Your bills get paid.  </p>
<p>And the thing that is so absolutely screamingly ga-ga to me is that we could provide health CARE (not just insurance) to EVERYONE at HALF the cost.  I&#8217;m not surprised the insurance industry is going bonkers about that, since the savings come out of their hide, but what is up with the loonies shrieking for a bad deal?  o_O</p>
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		<title>By: TrueFan1947</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrueFan1947</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public taxes funding public healthcare is NOT going to enrich insurance companies. Oh, the EVIL of such a scenario!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public taxes funding public healthcare is NOT going to enrich insurance companies. Oh, the EVIL of such a scenario!</p>
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		<title>By: TrueFan1947</title>
		<link>http://www.molvray.com/acid-test/2009/06/single-payer-vs-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-25880</link>
		<dc:creator>TrueFan1947</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most glaring misrepresentation touted in the entire discourse regarding single-payer vs public option healthcare is the fear mongering against &quot;Big Government&quot;. Here&#039;s the rub: Corporate entities LOVE big government as long as the public&#039;s money finds its way into corporate coffers. On the other hand, when the public&#039;s taxes are used for the good of the general public, THEN we hear corporate entities and their minions screaming about the evils of big government. What is the military/industrial/legislative/lobbyist complex but a HUGE vacuum cleaner that funnels public money into the hands of corporations? How&#039;s THAT for big government? BIG enough for you?

The single payer solution is anathema to &quot;private insurance companies&quot; because their parasitic function in the healthcare equation would be eliminated!Taves would actually FUND public healthcare for ALL citizens. Imagine THAT! How terrible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most glaring misrepresentation touted in the entire discourse regarding single-payer vs public option healthcare is the fear mongering against &#8220;Big Government&#8221;. Here&#8217;s the rub: Corporate entities LOVE big government as long as the public&#8217;s money finds its way into corporate coffers. On the other hand, when the public&#8217;s taxes are used for the good of the general public, THEN we hear corporate entities and their minions screaming about the evils of big government. What is the military/industrial/legislative/lobbyist complex but a HUGE vacuum cleaner that funnels public money into the hands of corporations? How&#8217;s THAT for big government? BIG enough for you?</p>
<p>The single payer solution is anathema to &#8220;private insurance companies&#8221; because their parasitic function in the healthcare equation would be eliminated!Taves would actually FUND public healthcare for ALL citizens. Imagine THAT! How terrible!</p>
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		<title>By: quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the current behavior of the government that will be doing the intervening, I&#039;d have to say I agree with you.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/exclusive_the_finance_committe.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest proposal&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;ve heard is nothing but a government-sponsored way to hand over even more money to insurance companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the current behavior of the government that will be doing the intervening, I&#8217;d have to say I agree with you.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/exclusive_the_finance_committe.html" rel="nofollow">latest proposal</a> I&#8217;ve heard is nothing but a government-sponsored way to hand over even more money to insurance companies.</p>
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		<title>By: teqjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>teqjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, the current system has multiple roblems - and ridiculous costs. On my last in-hospital stay, they wanted to keep me in for four days so they could administer some shots: I left after one night, pointing out that my mother was a practical nurse, two sisters were nurses, one niece was a nurse, another sister owned a nursing home with several nurses on staff, and I was quite capable of giving myself the shots (abdominal muscle, not needing to hit a vein) even without such support. Why should I pay circa $950/day to be bored out of my mind for service I could get for $80/day at a motel? 
 
OTOH I do not like either of the proposed systems, certainly mot as much as the present one. And when I see &quot;Private Delivery&quot; as the heading of the chart I immediately see egregious slanting. Medicare and Medicaid (and various more &quot;local&quot; State systems) are supposed to work this way, in that medical personnel/facilities are not formally part of the government[s]. But much like non-government plans they must follow rules from these fund-providers, but government is far slower (often by decades) to update the rules - and even slower to update compensation when costs change. 
 
Mind you, I am covered by Medicare and Medicaid myself, and at under $18k/annum income am grateful for it. But when I look at the plans and administration thereof in other countries I fear more government intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, the current system has multiple roblems &#8211; and ridiculous costs. On my last in-hospital stay, they wanted to keep me in for four days so they could administer some shots: I left after one night, pointing out that my mother was a practical nurse, two sisters were nurses, one niece was a nurse, another sister owned a nursing home with several nurses on staff, and I was quite capable of giving myself the shots (abdominal muscle, not needing to hit a vein) even without such support. Why should I pay circa $950/day to be bored out of my mind for service I could get for $80/day at a motel? </p>
<p>OTOH I do not like either of the proposed systems, certainly mot as much as the present one. And when I see &#8220;Private Delivery&#8221; as the heading of the chart I immediately see egregious slanting. Medicare and Medicaid (and various more &#8220;local&#8221; State systems) are supposed to work this way, in that medical personnel/facilities are not formally part of the government[s]. But much like non-government plans they must follow rules from these fund-providers, but government is far slower (often by decades) to update the rules &#8211; and even slower to update compensation when costs change. </p>
<p>Mind you, I am covered by Medicare and Medicaid myself, and at under $18k/annum income am grateful for it. But when I look at the plans and administration thereof in other countries I fear more government intervention.</p>
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